The Maccabeats aide and abet “x-tian missionaries.”

This opinion in no way reflects an institutional position of Gather the Jews.

Apparently The Maccabeats aide and abet “x-tian missionaries.”

The bait for Jewish apostates?

Or so the Jewish Fist claims.

It’s perhaps not sensible to even dignify this Jewish Fist post with a response, but I guess I have a soft spot for The Maccabeats because they 1) offered us a private interview and 2) served as a judge in our Jewish Guy/Girl of the Year Competition

So here it goes:

The Rosh Pina Project (RPP) — an “online meeting place for Messianic Jews and all those who believe that Messianic Jews deserve fair treatment in Israel and the Diaspora, and protection as a religious minority in Israel” — posted the Maccabeats’ Purim video to its blog in what Mr. Jewish Fist called an attempt to “lure Jews … [through] the use and obvious misuse of traditional Jewish symbols, stereotypes, humor, aspects of Jewish folk culture, and Jewish pop icons (such as the Maccabeats).”

Mr. Jewish Fist might be right in this respect.  In fact, I daresay he and I would have a pretty similar take on The RPP (incidentally, this group has no relation to the Rosh Pina group that meets at Hamilton House).

Mr. Jewish Fist — noticing the RPP post — emailed the Maccabeats and asked them to get the post removed from the RPP.  The Maccabeats failed to get the post removed, and they did not even reply to Mr. Jewish Fist’s email.  Therefore, according to JF’s logic, the Maccabeats are complicit in the aims of the RPP.

Nevermind that Mr. JF strongly disliked the Maccabeats prior to this post, the claim is still absurd.

  1. As Mr. JF correctly points out: “The Maccabeats are performing across the U.S. at many Jewish events, (including private semachot) and without a doubt, they are making good money for their performances.”  Right.  So they don’t have time to offer a thorough response to every email written to info@maccabeats.org, especially ones of such dubious merit.
  2. The Maccabeats have no control over the RPP blogs.  The Maccabeats video is posted on YouTube; YouTube allows anyone to freely embed videos on their site — without being the creator of the video.  The only way The Maccabeats could eliminate the video from the RPP website is to pull the video from YouTube entirely. And the Maccabeats have even less over what is said in the commentary on the RPP blog.  First Amendment rights do exist in this country…
  3. Mr. JF assumes that because the Maccabeats haven’t emailed him back, they haven’t email RPP.  Maybe.  But it’s an assumption that does not necessarily follow.
  4. Mr. JF assumes that because the Maccabeats haven’t successfully removed the video from the RPP site they are complicit with the RPP aims.  Again, bad logic.
  5. Mr. JF blames the creator of an innocent product for its misuse.  There’s nothing bad about the Maccabeats video itself (or, if Mr. JF thinks there is, this is another argument).  Rather, it’s the use of the video that he objects to.  But the Maccabeats shouldn’t be held liable for this.  That’s like holding the inventor of the internet (Al Gore) liable for the child pornography that is circulated online.

So please Mr. JF, stop taking cheap shots at the Maccabeats just to increase your website traffic.  But if you do decide to keep attacking them, you might be to refrain from suggesting that the Maccabeats get “testosterone therapy … [at] a group rate” if you want to preserve the little credibility you may have.

21 replies
  1. Ken Thomas
    Ken Thomas says:

    I enjoyed your article about the M’beats. As a devout Christian who evangelizes both Jews and Gentiles, I posted another great video on RPP before Joseph posted the Purim video. Their Jewish reggae is beautiful and their harmonies blend so well, reminding me of DC Talk.

    Anyway we welcome Mr JF to address his complaint to RPP. To the best of my knowledge there is not yet a Maccabeat conspiracy to win converts, but we can always hope!

    Best wishes. Thanks for supporting free speech on the internet. I respect sincerely-held and respectfully-expressed differences of opinion.

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      • Ken Thomas
        Ken Thomas says:

        Why leave all Jews alone? What if a Jewish girl wants to talk to a Messianic Jewish boy at their school? Should her parents forbid it? I think not.

        And if they should freely choose to discuss his faith in the One he believes to be Messiah, she can always just say ‘No’. On the other hand, she may say ‘Maybe we can talk about this later.’ Maybe she can exchange information politely. Keep an open mind.

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        • Anti-Missionary
          Anti-Missionary says:

          You try make Jews into Christians under the dishonest guise that you are enabling them to be Jews who simply accept Yushka, yemach shimam (may his name be erased). Through trickery and deceit and misquoting biblical verses out of context you charletans attack vulnerable Jews who are not yet knowledgable of their own beautiful heritage. Many Jews have been murdered in the name of that bastard child you’d like us all to worship. You are the scum of the Earth.

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          • Ken Thomas
            Ken Thomas says:

            I know this may be hard for you to believe, but I sincerely DO believe that Jesus Christ (Yeshua) really is Israel’s Jewish Messiah. It is precisely because of my faith that I talk to people about Jesus. I believe it is the best thing I can do for anyone.

            I would never be deceptive and really believe it when I say that Jewish believers in Jesus Christ are completed Jews–both Jewish and Christian.

            I agree that many Christians like myself have murdered and harmed Jewish men and women like you. This is wrong, a sin against God and mankind. Speaking corporately and collectively for the Christian church worldwide, I tell you that we have repented from these deeds and protect everyone now. It is in the Name of Jesus Christ that we oppose bigotry and violence. Do we not fight to protect all people from the Taliban? Did we not join the fight against the persecution by atheistic communists? And do we not now oppose the violence against other faiths by the BJP party in India, the radical Islamic extremists, and the Chinese communists? There is a group in Israel that commits acts of violence too, but we do not retaliate in kind.

            Your scum of the Earth statement seems hardly to fit. All that because you dislike our words? If we were neighbors and you did not want to talk about Messiah, we’d just change to a new subject. I never force Jesus Christ upon anyone.

        • Anti-Missionary
          Anti-Missionary says:

          It’s not Christians I have a problem with…It’s Christians who missionize to Jews. How come you all never go after Orthodox Jews? Oh, I know it’s because they know too much and are too strong in their Jewish identities. You only prey on spiritually vulnerable Jews whose Jewish education is not strong enough to refute your points. The Jews don’t need to be saved. We’re already chosen.

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          • Ken Thomas
            Ken Thomas says:

            I personally have no problem targeting orthodox Jews, only there aren’t any where I live. Do you mean the ones with the fur hats?

            I know of two people who wear little hats all day. I think they are conservative.

            I have read the testimonies of a variety of Jews who believe in Yeshua. Some have strong religious education or were even studying to be rabbis.

            You realize that all Christians are ordered to evangelize Jews and Gentiles. It’s in the New Testament we follow. It is a part of our religion. How might an orthodox believer respond when I talk about Yeshua? Might he be less responsive than a secular or conservative Jew? I won’t talk about Jesus to a person who wishes not to discuss Him, so the most willing to talk might be the most likely to convert. I don’t target liberal Jews especially though.

  2. Joseph W
    Joseph W says:

    Ken, interesting comment, please don’t use “we” as it implies you are an editor or otherwise speaking on behalf of RPP, which you’re not. Similarly, you don’t have “posting” rights, you can leave comments just like anyone else can, that’s about it.

    Stephen, surely you don’t agree with Jewish Fist when he says:

    With G-d’s help, the day will soon come when the Law of the Torah is applied against them all. Totally, without compromise, and without any mercy. May we see it in our times.

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  3. Anti-Missionary
    Anti-Missionary says:

    Wow, just checked out RPP site and I couldn’t help but notice that they have a special section reserved for bashing Chabad-Lubavitch with lies and maliciousness. I’m not suprised they feel threatened by a group that has done so much for the Jewish people which includes fighting people like RPP.

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  4. Anti-Missionary
    Anti-Missionary says:

    Wow, these RPP idiots really miss the point! On their site they first falsely call Gather the Jews ‘an orthodox group.’ It is actually non-denominational. GTJ was not defending RPP’s mission or organization, but merely some Jewish blogger’s assertion that the Maccabeats are helping them by not forcing them to take down their Purim video. I don’t even know why we’re talking about this ‘controversy.’ All it did was get the attention of these disgusting RPP people who have now posted on GTJ.

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  5. Anti-Missionary
    Anti-Missionary says:

    Orthodox is not offensive, but scumbag missionaries who try to rip Jewish people away from their heritage certainly are.

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  6. Stephen Richer
    Stephen Richer says:

    Hi Joseph. Thanks for your interest in Gather the Jews. Gather the Jews is not an orthodox site — it embraces almost all forms of Judaism and exists to advance Jewish religion, culture, history, etc.

    I’m not Orthodox. But some who write on this site are. That’s what makes it fun.

    As for my post… I’m afraid I wasn’t endorsing the efforts of Rosh Pina Project. Rather, I was commenting on Jewish Fist’s (abbreviated above as Mr. JF) absurd insinuation that the Maccabeats somehow supported the Rosh Pina Project.

    Have a great day!

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  7. Ms. Anthrope
    Ms. Anthrope says:

    You raise a valid point that no one is addressing, Stephen. Has JF ever written a letter to Al Gore asking him to stop letting the internet be used for child pornography? If not, does this not suggest that JF supports child pornography by his own logic?

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  8. Joseph W
    Joseph W says:

    Thanks Stephen, really fair comment, of course you don’t have to suddenly be a Messianic or Christian or whatever to notice the silliness of TJF. I hope people wouldn’t come to that conclusion!

    By his own slightly over-excited logic, I’d actually say TJF was doing something worse than the Maccabeats, in that TJF is actually posting screen-shots of a Messianic site, whereas the poor Maccabeats haven’t done anything.

    Cool music though.

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